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Post by zombiecran on Nov 4, 2004 0:41:07 GMT -5
It's the feeling of September 11th that has everything to do with it. After that horrible day, if you have an intelligence telling you there is a country with weapons of mass destruction, you will most likely act on it, instead of chancing another 9/11. That is equivalent to your house being burned down. Then, your friends saying, hey, I don't wanna get involved, but there are some other people around here capable of doing that again. Maybe you should check it out to prevent another attack. okay... so your saying he attacked iraq for possibility of them having weapons?? well then why not attack china, north korea... any number of places. why was it the one place where there was oil and the guy in power wanted to sell to other people?? |
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Post by zombiecran on Nov 4, 2004 0:43:46 GMT -5
WHOA!!!!! Hold up one damn minute. I have a book that has every single minute of that day and President Bush was already in the classroom with the children. After he recieved word, what in the hell was he supposed to do, jump up and scare the hell out of the kids right there??? No, he handled it very well and if you disagree, that's your fault. Why is this turning into a f*cking argument. yes i think the president of the usa should have found a way to get back to washington and figure out whats going on from when he first got information! i understand not frightening the kids... but then our news services didn't seem to mind.... |
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Post by xjdr2003 on Nov 4, 2004 0:45:06 GMT -5
okay... so your saying he attacked iraq for possibility of them having weapons?? well then why not attack china, north korea, israel... any number of places. why was it the one place where there was oil and the guy in power wanted to sell to other people?? I don't have all of the answers. But, I do believe that the invasion of Iraq isn't as bad as it's made out to be. I believe the intelligence told us the weapons were possibly aimed at us, whereas the weapons of, like you said, China, North Korea, were not. I don't have all of the answers. |
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Post by zombiecran on Nov 4, 2004 0:49:54 GMT -5
I don't have all of the answers. But, I do believe that the invasion of Iraq isn't as bad as it's made out to be. I believe the intelligence told us the weapons were possibly aimed at us, whereas the weapons of, like you said, China, North Korea, were not. I don't have all of the answers. Iraq had no serious weapons, there was lots of information given to that effect... again, do you think they would allow us to enforce a no-fly zone under Clinton if they had such weapons.. esp considering the hard time we're having just from guys on the ground now?? |
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Post by xjdr2003 on Nov 4, 2004 0:52:04 GMT -5
yes i think the president of the usa should have found a way to get back to washington and figure out whats going on from when he first got information! i understand not frightening the kids... but then our news services didn't seem to mind.... 9:00am-Bush arrives in Sarasota, Fla school to promote his education program. White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card tells him that a plane has crashed into the World Trade Center. 9:05am-The President is sitting in with a second-grade class when Andrew Card whispers to him that yet another airplane has struck the Twin Towers. 9:08am-The FAA closes all major airports in NYC and "sterilizes" the airspace over the city. 9:12am-Bush leaves the school and is in touch with NY officials as well VP Dick Cheney at the White House. 9:20am-The FBI announces that reports of planes being hijacked are under investigation. That is copied straight from my book. Doesn't seem like he wasted any time to me. |
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Post by zombiecran on Nov 4, 2004 0:56:24 GMT -5
9:00am-Bush arrives in Sarasota, Fla school to promote his education program. White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card tells him that a plane has crashed into the World Trade Center. That is when he should have found a way to leave and get everything started, figuring things out!! Why were the planes that usually check unscheduled flights and enemy activity grounded during that time? Why were members of Bin Laden's family allowed out of the country while Americans were still grounded? |
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Post by xjdr2003 on Nov 4, 2004 1:01:20 GMT -5
Why were the planes that usually check unscheduled flights and enemy activity grounded during that time? Why were members of Bin Laden's family allowed out of the country while Americans were still grounded? Why was there little to no plane wreckage found at the crashsites?
I can't understand your first question. Bin Laden's family leaving, this sounds like some Michael Moore bullsh*t. Let's see, just because they're members of the Bin Laden family, doesn't mean they have to be treated like they're responsible, does it??? That's just like when ya say Suddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11. If anything, they were allowing the Bin Laden's to get out of the country before they were mobbed by angry americans. Your last question, that sounds like you're trying to say the crashes didn't really happen. Why was there little to no wreckage found, I don't know, maybe the clean-up guys were working.
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Post by zombiecran on Nov 4, 2004 1:06:23 GMT -5
meh... if no one was allowed to fly (supposedly not even Bush sr) then why would there be other flights?
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Post by xjdr2003 on Nov 4, 2004 1:11:54 GMT -5
The only source I can think of that you're getting this, "Why were the Bin Ladens allowed to leave while everyone else was grounded", is the doctored-up Fahrenheit 9/11. I read somewhere that he said in the movie, "In the days following 9/11, why were the Bin Ladens allowed to leave while everyone else was grounded"  I can't remember what the answer was, but apparently, he tells you that flights were grounded in the "days following", doesn't give specific dates. So, my point is you're led to believe americans were grounded, when in all actuality, they(the Bin Ladens) left on 9/14, when all of the other americans were allowed to fly again. That's what I think I read. |
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Post by ouchyfreddy on Nov 4, 2004 1:16:19 GMT -5
this is a debate that can get nowhere guys. there is so much shit about 9/11 that just doesnt add up, and we can dispute and try to get all the facts..but when it comes down to it..we are never going to know the truth behind it all. I suggest reading the 9/11 commission report. its one long ass book..but some questions will be answered..in a cheep copout way that is..but enough to our closure point. 9/11 should have never happend. lets hope bush can make sure that these next 4 years something worse wont happen. but..theres some doubt in my mind i wont lie.  |
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Post by xjdr2003 on Nov 4, 2004 1:20:15 GMT -5
No one is going to change my thoughts on George Bush. We argued about this months ago and it got pretty hot, so we decided to leave it at that. I knew this was gonna happen again when he won. But, it all bottoms down to I'm so glad George Bush is my president for reason I won't even get into so I can avoid an all out fight on this board.
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Post by ISUsycamore81 on Nov 4, 2004 1:22:32 GMT -5
What you call fighting I see as debating. I don't hold any ill will towards someone's opinions, whether I agree with it or not.
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Post by xjdr2003 on Nov 4, 2004 1:23:25 GMT -5
If it were debating, I would have someone on my side, instead of everyone just ganging up on me.
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Post by ISUsycamore81 on Nov 4, 2004 1:25:28 GMT -5
Jason's on your side....He'd back you up. Are any of us going right out and saying your wrong? No. I never saw this as ganging up, but if you do I'll back off.
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Post by xjdr2003 on Nov 4, 2004 1:29:23 GMT -5
I know Jason is on my side, but I'm never here whenever he is. LordOfTheFries was on my side, but he's yet to be seen again for a while. No one is coming out and saying I'm wrong, but I have seen a few times where posters(don't remember)said americans must not care about America and stuff like that since Bush won again. That is the same thing as saying "you're wrong" or it's pretty close to it.
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I can't remember what the answer was, but apparently, he tells you that flights were grounded in the "days following", doesn't give specific dates. So, my point is you're led to believe americans were grounded, when in all actuality, they(the Bin Ladens) left on 9/14, when all of the other americans were allowed to fly again. That's what I think I read.
